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It's 2ceUponATime Sunday!

This comm was set up by me, masqthephlsphr, and astrogirl2 for the fun of rewatching past episodes of OUAT with friends, but also because this show rewards its regular viewers with careful attention to continuity and echoes in later episodes of early episodes. For example, in the opening scene of the pilot, upon being woken by Prince Charming, Snow White declares, "You found me!" and then in an early scene of the season 2 opener, she says to Emma, "You found us!" An echo, by the way, that emphasizes themes of each season, season 1 being True Love, and season 2 being Family.

So feel free, in comments, or a post of your own, to point out any echoes or continuity that pleased you, or things that, especially in the pilot episode, broke continuity with later episodes (e.g., "Why is it that the animals aren't ever abuzz with the Queen's plan (or any other human plans) in later episodes? Too Disney?") Or make random observations like, "Why is it, on the occasion of her wedding, Snow has a rat's nest on her head?" Also feel free to go on (at length, if you feel so moved) about any topic related to the episode scheduled for the current week (or earlier weeks). Or Live Blog the ep. Or MST3K it.

Spoilers for season 1 and 2 are permitted, blue-sky speculation about season 3 based on season 1 and 2 events is permitted. Bonafide spoilers or spoilery rumors going around the webosphere for season 3 are NOT.

And don't feel tied down by the 8 pm NA EST posting time. If for reasons of your schedule or the time on your clock, you need to post earlier on 2ceUponATime Sunday, feel free. Have fun!


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Jun. 16th, 2013 07:17 pm (UTC)
Re: liveblogging!
I really agree about the difference in the first watch and the rewatch. I'm missing big chunks of both seasons, but have also seen big chunks, and a lot makes sense now that seemed off the wall then. I didn't remember JIminy Cricket and Gepetto and Pinochio being in the first episode.

" I do kind of love that Snow keeps the deal, though, and that her keeping the deal is what makes Emma's future curse-breaking possible." Even on a rewatch, I missed that. How does her keeping the deal make the future curse-breaking possible?
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Re: liveblogging! - mamculuna - Jun. 16th, 2013 07:24 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Re: liveblogging! - masqthephlsphr - Jun. 16th, 2013 07:53 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Jun. 16th, 2013 08:04 pm (UTC)
Re: liveblogging!
It really is a good pilot, though I think like most pilots it betrays occasionally that the authors haven't yet worked out the backstory completely; Snow assigning Regina the traditional motive for wanting her dead when the rest of the show doesn't support that being the most obvious case in point. (Btw, she did tell Charming, more or less, the very first time they met, when upon seeing the "Wanted" poster he asked her why the Queen wanted her dead, Outlaw! Snow says "because she thinks I destroyed her life", Charming asks "and did you?" and Snow says "yes" - since that is in ep 3 or so, and ep 2 already has Regina saying "what she did to me", I'd say the obvious Doylist explanation is that when writing the pilot, our scribes weren't yet clear on the Queen's motive, but when it was greenlighted by the network they did some serious thinking and wisely concluded that the traditional motive just wouldn't do.

Other less glaring inconsistencies: Charming's outfit isn't something he wears in the later flashbacks, but this one the show explains away by letting Rumpelstilskin magic up these particular cloths for him. Charming and Snow being advised not to tell Rumple their names as if they'd never met him before looks odd when we later find out they already are familiar with him through repeated encounters, though that can be handwaved. And then there's Emma as a living lie detector, which the show itself lampshaded because if this ability always worked, it would be minus several plots.

Fitting beautifully with later revelations: Snow agreeing to the deal immediately (not blindly, as opposed to Ella later, you get the impression Snow knows exactly who she's dealing with), and coming through with the name. One reason why I like this is that you can see a slight parallel to Cora agreeing to signing the contract after reading it (when she couldn't know she'd find a loophole after he'd alter the contract : re her child) - it's very pragmatic and very not what you'd expect (as opposed to "my child? Never!" reactions). Btw, that Snow is the one who later when she, Emma, Aurora and Mulan are locked up in this same cell figures out what Rumple actually did with Emma's name, and how to use it to escape.

I had the opposite reaction to rewatching the Henry and Regina scene. The first time around, I was put off by Henry's "she doesn't love me, she only pretends to", and thought that both he and the show were unfair there; why if Regina raised him would he be so sure? I disliked the idea of Henry instinctively not loving the "wrong" mother. With two years of canon (and the knowledge that Henry does love Regina, while her love for him is important but also not used to handwave her other actions away), I have a lot more sympathy for Henry in this scene. He did live until now in an endless time loop which no but him seems to notice until this night, and he and Emma have just run into Archie who is a reminder that Regina's both public and private explanation for Henry noticing is that he's crazy. That 2.02 scene between Regina and Henry where Henry talks to her about this - that she gaslighted him, I mean - really made a lot of difference to me. Not to mention that "Welcome to Storybrooke" demonstrates that it really is, with some variations, the same DAY. Why Henry isn't actually bonkers from this, I don't know.

Practicalities: how did Henry get on a bus which LEAVES Storybrooke? Who is driving it? Enquiring minds want to know.
Jun. 16th, 2013 08:14 pm (UTC)
Re: liveblogging!
Yes, this episode has a chilling element in light of the ep "Welcome to Storybrooke." When originally watching it, it's just sort of a cute moment when the clock starts ticking forward and Henry smiles. But OMG, in retrospect, that moment is HUGE, especially for poor Henry.
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Jun. 17th, 2013 12:27 am (UTC)
Re: liveblogging!
LOL, and Henry obviously ran through the forest until he reached another town and took a bus from there, right? Seeing as he is one of the few people who can actually leave town.
Jun. 17th, 2013 01:58 am (UTC)
Re: liveblogging!
My personal wank regarding Snow's comment about Regina in this episode is that, although Snow herself knows why Regina hates her, the people of the Enchanted Forest of course don't and so instead came up with the traditional story to explain it--that Regina must have been envious of her beauty because how else to explain her treating such a kind girl so cruelly--and so in this scene, Snow is ironically referring to that story. It works for me, heh.
Re: liveblogging! - selenak - Jun. 18th, 2013 03:19 pm (UTC) - Expand
Jun. 17th, 2013 02:05 am (UTC)
Re: liveblogging!
Although it's also interesting, knowing that, that Doc is the best OB Snow&Charming could find.

I was struck by that, too, what with the later comments about him having gotten his medical degree from a pickaxe. But she wasn't expecting to have the baby right that moment, so probably he was just the most qualified person around.

It has occurred to me to wonder, though, at the fact that Dr. Whale seems to be the only doctor in Storybrooke. Seriously? What about all the physicians from fairy tale land? We know there were some, if only because one attended Snow's mother while she was dying. What happened to them?

So was Ruby the wolf that caused Emma's accident?

I'm pretty sure Ruby didn't start transforming until the curse was broken. So the wolf was... just a wolf? Probably one of the Huntsman's adoptive relatives, especially if it's the same wolf he starts seeing later on.
Re: liveblogging! - masqthephlsphr - Jun. 17th, 2013 04:55 pm (UTC) - Expand
Jun. 17th, 2013 12:12 am (UTC)
this is my reaction comment - everything that came to mind after watching the pilot.

1) that was not an episode that hooked me up completely, but I loved Emma the first time I saw her. She was good at her job, she was tough, she was lonely, she was capable.
2) I felt sorry for her when she had to chase that guy on that uncomfortable heels. They looked so painful!
3) Then a kid appears. That was good. Her reaction was good. Basically we see from the beginning an inversion of the popular image – a tough loner who suddenly gets a family. Except that it's Emma who is a tough guy.
4) Now we are in Storybrooke. Storybrooke looks the same. People are saying the same words over and over again. A blue bird. Black guy at the table – Lancelot? Black priest. Hospital is full of people. Sick for 28 years? After that last battle? Lots of kids at school, yet all look the same age as Henry.
5) Ftl – the kiss is beautiful. The story? Did Charming know about Daniel and the real reason for Queen's hate? Blue fairy looks ridiculous.
6) Wolf? Still not known.
7) Did Gold wake up that moment?
8) If they wanted to get rid of Emma, why did they arrested and brought her back? It was just easier to leave her there, not?
9) Or wolf stops everyone from leaving? And people in the hospital are the ones who tried to leave? How people do know they are not supposed to leave?
10) why wouldn't they kill Emma?
Jun. 17th, 2013 12:26 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the wolf is the sheriff Graham's/Huntsman's animal guide-friend from the FTL. We see the wolf in this episode, and then in the Graham-POV episode The Heart is a Lonely Hunter. He was raised by wolves, and he sees the wolf around town because the wolf is trying to help him under the curse.

Why the wolf would take on the job of preventing Emma from leaving town is anyone's guess. I suppose it isn't cursed or something.
Jun. 17th, 2013 02:20 am (UTC)
Or maybe it just happened to be there in road at that time for no particularly premeditated reasons. Maybe it was Fate. :)
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Jun. 18th, 2013 05:22 am (UTC)
I'm going to have to jump in a little blind here, because I haven't seen the pilot since the first time. One of my biggest puzzles was the question of how Henry managed to escape Storybrook and find Emma if no-one can come into town or leave..obviously no bus service exists! But your explanation that he went through the forest to another town makes sense, so I'm going to go with that.

I just bought the season 1 DVD today!
Jun. 18th, 2013 12:41 pm (UTC)
You bought the season 1 DVD??!! Start watching and join in the fun, the horses and ICU patients can wait an hour or two....

; )
Jun. 19th, 2013 04:51 am (UTC)
I did! Calling it my birthday present. I deserve it.
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